Crown Molding -- Part 1  

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There are a few ways to cut and install crown molding. I would like you to be aware of some and choose the one that is best suited for you!

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  Design Comments
Cutting Crown,
Method 1
Cutting Crown, Method 2

Cutting Crown, Method 3
Installation of Crown
Some Examples

1. Some Basics and Definitions:                                                       

Angles:     Throughout this presentation I will be dealing with various angles, expressed in degrees. A right angle, of course, refers to two objects meeting at 90 degrees. However, I extend this to angles up to 360 degrees. In some cases we encounter angles with a minus value. These will be explained further down.

Walls:  When viewed from above (plan view, or top view), two walls that meet in a corner at an angle ranging from 0 to 180 degrees are referred to as having an inside corner. This angle usually is a right angle (or larger such as a bay-window at 125 degrees). The limit of 180 degrees is a flat wall. However, when the angle is larger than 180 degrees, it is referred to as an outside corner.

We will use the Greek symbol b to refer to the value of this angle. For flat ceilings this is the angle between the walls. Note that b can have a value from 0 to 360 degrees (180 degrees would be a flat wall).

 

Ceilings:  The majority of crown molding is installed where a wall and flat (or horizontal) ceiling intersect. I have included molding on vaulted or cathedral ceilings, but the "basics" for those installations is discussed separately in Part 3 Crown Molding on Vaulted Ceilings.

Molding:  Many different shapes of molding are available in several different types of wood products. Some are intended for specific applications, others for general usage as trim or finishing touches. General categories include:

  •   Baseboard, casings, chair-rail, window stool, and crown molding.

Some of the more common materials include:

  •  Pine, MFD (a combination of wood pulp and resins), redwood, oak and other hardwoods, molded foam, and flexible plastic products for curved surfaces.

Although this discussion covers installations of crown molding, the usage of some of the other types should not be overlooked. There are very nice installations of "crown molding" that have been done with chair-rail, for example. Casings can be used the same way.

Crown:  This type of molding is characterized by the slanted, shaped front and flat backside. It is as if the triangular corner section in the back is missing. This is done to save material and make the part lighter for this application. In addition, the flat area provides a good reference surface.

Because of its popularity, crown molding is available in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. One of the many distributors offers 18 different shapes and sizes in pine as well as 15 shapes in MFD. Some words of caution: don’t mix wood and MFD, even if you think the shapes are the same. They are not and will not match in the corners.

If you want to see more than two or three types, skip Home Depot and Lowe’s. Go to a store or lumberyard that specializes in molding, and has, or can order, the material you really want. If you intend to paint, choose the primed material. Solid, unprimed wood is generally intended for staining and is more expensive.

Dimensional Parameters:  For purposes of cutting and installing crown, we should identify some important parameters:

  • The overall width, W, of the molding.
  • The "crown angle" a (and/or "spring angle" g as shown in the cross section).
  • The "projection", P.
  • The width of the flat surface, L.

Most crown shapes have an angle a equal to 52 degrees (g equal to 38 degrees). If the molding is turned "up-side-down" the angle a becomes 38 degrees. There are a number of shapes where the angles are 45 degrees. When in doubt, follow the calculations on page 1 of the Excel Spreadsheets for Calculating Angles.

PS. Don’t think that crown molding has to be installed only one way. I have installed the common Colonial style in the up-side-down position, and it looks just fine, according to the homeowner.

Cutting Crown:  (See below for details). Cutting molding can be done by hand using a miter box and back-saw, or even a band-saw. However, most people now use a table saw or a compound miter saw. The compound saw allows you to rotate the blade at two different angles to the work piece (both vertically and horizontally).

These are the cuts we will be referring to:

Straight cuts: Blade at right angles to the work piece.
Miter cuts: Blade rotated (around the vertical axis) M degrees to the left.
Bevel cuts: Blade tilted (around the horizontal axis) B degrees from horizontal.
Compound cuts: Blade both rotated and tilted.

Intersections of Walls and Ceilings:  Crown molding is typically installed where walls and ceilings meet. This is straight forward for flat ceilings and vertical walls. However, when you want to continue into stairwells or have vaulted (cathedral) ceilings, the type of intersections can vary quite a lot. For this reason I have tried to categorize them as follows:

  • Type A is for flat ceilings,
  • Type B is for vaulted ceilings meeting vertical walls,
  • Type C is for vaulted ceilings meeting horizontal ceilings.
  • Type D is reserved for special cases.

Each of the first three types is for molding installed on vertical walls. Wall angle b ranges from 60 to 300 º. However we can define this a bit closer:

  • Type A-1. Horizontal run with inside and outside corners. This is the most common case for crown molding.
  • Type A-2. Crown turns up or downwards. b1 and b2 are now for the vertical drop, they can range from 0 to 360º.

An example of this would be a jog in the ceiling height . A second example would be crown around a beam. When this happens, the measuring and cutting parameters change as explained further down.

 

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2. Design Comments

General design features: Installing crown molding usually means painting the walls and ceiling. It could also include re-decorating which leads to other molding possibilities. Should the baseboards be replaced? Would chair rail and frame molding be attractive? What about the window casings, valence and door trim? Should you incorporate some columns and cornices?

To get some ideas along these lines, I would highly recommend looking for a book by Jay Silber, "Decorating with Architectural Trimwork". It may be available at Lowe’s or check the web at www.creativehomeowner.com.

If any of these additions are to be incorporated with the crown, it obviously is best done at the same time. At least the overall design should reflect this. For example, if you elected to add some decorative columns or cornices that reach the ceiling, the crown molding could intersect this and provisions need to be made from the start.


Here is an example of crown above a mirrored closet door. I added casing for the two vertical edges and used a block to stop the casing near the top. Now the crown had to go around this block.

The extra strip of baseboard helped to stiffen the top edge of the mirror track. Notice also the cornice above the door and a narrow piece of crown.

This paper will not cover trim-work, other than crown molding. So, we will concentrate on the walls and corners where crown molding is to be installed.

 

Draw a plan: First make a simple drawing of the room(s) in plan view showing the approximate wall dimensions. Make notes of corners and special features such as air-duct outlets, beams and places where the molding will stop.The more information you have the better; and if you can put it down on paper, it will serve you well.

Select the molding: Crown molding comes in various sizes and shapes. Consider the type of room and its décor. What might look good in a formal dining room could be overbearing in a family room.

How wide should the overall molding be? Most people with standard eight-foot ceilings prefer crown molding that is not wider than 4 to 5 inches. For higher ceilings you could consider a wider and more elaborate design. However, keep in mind that the wider the molding, the more careful you have to be to make the joints come out neat and tight. Also your saw may have limitations on the width of molding it can handle.

One way this can be overcome is to build-up layers. Flat stock such as baseboard and casing can be nailed to the wall and/or ceiling and crown added on top of that. The photo below shows a combination of baseboard and Colonial crown at an outside corner. You could even include special shapes such as "dentil", a repetitive series of "blocks", or special ornamental shapes made of plastic castings. Remember that this technique can add a lot of cost and labor to install.

One other point that needs to be made is that when the flat base material is first installed on the wall, the measurements for the crown length have to be made again and should be based on the new dimensions to the base boards, not the walls. However, because there is now a nice straight and flat reference surface, the results should be more accurate. This is also good for aligning the crown along the bottom edge.

 

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3. Cutting Crown Molding:

Standard crown molding can be cut in several ways. For our purposes a compound miter saw will be used for most of the cuts. We will only consider the two cases of flat ceilings and vaulted ceilings. Special features such as arched ceilings and curved walls will not be included. However, after you have mastered a few projects, you might consider these tricky situations.

We will look at three methods of cutting the crown molding. Each has its advantages:

  • Method 1: Crown on the saw in the up-side-down position. 

A very common way to cut crown molding is to position the molding on the miter saw as shown in the picture below. The saw bed becomes the ceiling and the backstop is the wall. The bevel angle remains at zero and the miter angle is set for the type of corner (45 degrees for right angled walls)



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At first it may seem strange that the molding should be up-side-down. However a closer look will tell you that if the part were positioned with the top standing up, the material could only rest on the lower foot while the edge that would go against the ceiling has no support. It just dangles there in front of you. This would certainly not be a safe way to hold the part while making the cut.

Even with molding in the up-side-down position, it has to be held securely against the backstop and should not shift.

I use a fixture that has adjustable supports to adapt to different size moldings. It also has sandpaper surfaces to prevent slippage during cutting Details of this design are given in Part 3 Special Fixtures and Tools. There is a commercial unit available that mounts on only one side of the blade; it also leaves long sections of molding dangling on a short piece of plastic. My design fully utilizes the table bed as a solid surface. Furthermore by having a "clamp" on each side of the blade, the part is held more securely and accuracy of the cut is bound to be better. 

Advantages of this method include:

Ease of visualizing how the molding is cut for the location on the wall and ceiling (although it is up-side-down.)

Only the miter angle of the saw is set. It is one half of angle b.

Disadvantages include:

Requires careful positioning and clamping on the saw table.

Prone to shifting and inaccuracies.

Limited use. It cannot be used for vertical turns or in vaulted ceiling installations.

Limited range of corner angles.


At this point I want to give you some hints about identifying how the molding should be positioned on the saw for inside or outside corners.

1. For inside corners, the top heel that goes against the ceiling is shorter than the flat bottom heel that goes against the wall. For outside corners the top heel would project further into the room and is longer than the bottom heel.

2. For inside corners, the front of the molding is shorter than the backside. In other words, the bevel cut slopes away from the front surface. Again, the opposite it true for outside corners.

3. All measurements for the length of the wall should be transferred to the molding’s bottom heel.

Remember the last one! It is very important to make wall measurements accurately and transfer them to the foot of the crown. Maybe this sketch is also useful: 


As you look up at the ceiling, try to visualize the crown pieces to be to the right or left of the corner joint. I will refer to them that way for every corner.
To cut the molding you would position the part on the saw table as follows:

For inside corners:

  •   For the left piece:   Position it to the right of the blade; blade mitered right.
  •   For the right piece: Positioned it to the left of the blade.

For outside corners:

  •   Left piece:   Part positioned to the right
  •   Right piece: Part positioned to the left of the blade; blade mitered right.

I would strongly urge you to make a couple of matching sample pieces for every type of corner you encounter. Mark them right or left, the miter settings, and the corner angle. They will help you to visualize how they fit on the ceiling. When you are ready to cut, hold them up to the corner, then flip them up-side-down and place them on the saw. That gives you a visual orientation for the long sections you will be cutting.


  • Method 2: Cutting the molding lying flat on the saw bed.

After constantly using Method 1, everyone will quickly notice that a compound miter saw is not really needed. But wait! There are good reasons for being able to tilt the blade and cut parts at compound angles. Crown molding is one.

Putting the crown flat on its back and tilting the saw blade at two different angles may seem strange and confusing at first. But once you have tried it and see the results, you may not want to go back to Method 1 very often.



Method 2 is versatile and can be used for cutting molding for most intersections of walls and ceilings. The material is placed flat on the saw bed while the miter angle M and bevel angle B are set for the particular corner joint. These angles are calculated using the Excel Spreadsheets for Calculating Angles. Most saw manufacturers provide these angles on the graduated miter and bevel scales. They are only good for "standard" crown and a 90 degree wall angle. However, before using these marks I would urge you to verify the settings using the spreadsheet calculations. Most compound saws tilt the blade to the left only. Some allow you to set the bevel angle right or left. This is convenient so you don’t have to rotate the pieces. If you don’t have this feature use the following rules:   

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When the molding makes a horizontal turn, or a Type 1-A intersection:

For inside corners:

  • The left part is placed to the left, with top heel next to the fence and miter setting to the right.
  • The right part is also placed to the left, but the bottom heel is next to the fence and the miter setting to the left.

For outside corners:

  • The left part is placed to the right, with the bottom heel next to the fence and miter setting to the left.
  • The right part is placed to the right, with top heel next to the fence and miter setting to the right.

Make a copy of these rules and keep them near the saw. You will want to refer to them often.


Most of the crown molding that you will be installing is for right angle corners; some inside and some outside. As you look at the positions from below, there will be a right and left hand piece. Thus there are four different types of cuts that may have to be made. As was noted earlier: two of these cuts are with the bottom heel against the fence, the others are not; two have the blade mitered to the left while others are to the right. How do you keep this all straight?

If you are planning to cut more than a couple of pieces of molding, you might consider making two very simple templates. The picture below shows the two gauges I use to identify the position of the molding on the miter saw and to line up the cut. One gauge, R1, is for the right side, the other, L1, for the left side pieces. See Part 3 Special Fixtures and Tools

To show how they are used, it is best to go through an example of the cutting process.

Let’s say you have selected your starting point to be the right piece of an inside corner. The walls make a right angle (b = 90 degrees) and the molding has a spring angle of 38 degrees. You checked the corner and it is indeed very close to 90 degrees.

Using the Excel Spreadsheets for Calculating Angles, we find that the miter angle is 31.6° and the bevel angle is 33.9° . Set the saw to these values then place the molding on the saw table to the left of the blade with the bottom heel next to the fence. Is the miter angle to the right or left? To check this, hold R1 on top of the molding and index the miter angle. Remove the gauge, hold the part against the fence, and make the cut as close to the end of the molding as possible.

Now make a pencil mark on the bottom heel that corresponds to the length of the wall. Let’s assume the next corner is also a 90° , inside corner. Check the wall angle and verify M and B. For this corner our part is the left side piece. You notice that the bottom heel now needs to be towards you. So you have to rotate the part like a helicopter blade.

Place L1 on the part and line it up with the pencil mark. Move the part left or right until the blade lines up with the pencil mark. Make the cut! This is your first piece.

Notice how the gauges help to index M and B, as well as align the blade’s cutting path. For the next series of cuts it may be necessary to turn the crown around (like a helicopter blade), but as long as you keep track of the orientation (with the help of R1 and L1), it should become easier as you go along.



    When the molding makes a vertical turn, Type A-2 intersection:

This could be the case when the crown goes around a beam, or drops to a lower level, or maybe there is a lower section to the ceiling that has to be connected with a vertical wall. Note that the wall angle, b, is now the "ceiling angle". It is as if the ceiling and walls were rotated 90 degrees toward you and the flat wall has become the new ceiling. This also means that the "crown angle" has changed; it is now g instead of a.


 

I need to point out one difficulty with vertical turns:
Horizontal turns have the bottom foot (the edge that is against the wall) from corner to corner. It is the edge that you mark with the wall length. That is not the case with vertical turns. The foot that is in contact with the wall will stop short of the corner for inside turns and go beyond for outside turns. The amount is Offset 2 as shown above.
So how do you mark the pieces and cut them to the correct length? You can calculate the amount for the Offset 2, or hold two short pieces of molding in place and draw two pencil marks on the wall. The length of the horizontal pieces can now be re-measured to these points.

 

For wide molding, I will make a plywood template with the correct height and width of the installed part. This gauge can be used to mark the walls at several places, especially where it involves a vertical turn. Note that the outside contour is not important.


The new rules for vertical turns are as follows:

For inside corners:

  • The left part is placed to the left, with top heel next to the fence and miter setting to the left.
  • The right part is also placed to the left, but the bottom heel is next to the fence and the miter setting to the right.

For outside corners:

  • The left part is to the right, with the bottom heel next to the fence and miter setting to the right.
  • The right part is to the right, with top heel next to the fence and miter setting to the left

Be sure to calculate the new bevel and miter angles using the spreadsheet. It already accounts for the change in crown angle for both inside and outside corners.


   Advantages of Method 2 include:

  • Improved accuracy
  • Secure and safe way to cut parts.
  • Versatile, can be used for most wall-ceiling intersections.

            Disadvantages include:

  • Requires setting both miter and bevel angles
  • Without templates it is difficult to visualize how the part is positioned on the saw bed.

 


Cutting Crown Molding on the Table Saw

There are occasions when the crown molding it too wide or the miter angle is too large for a compound miter saw. That is when you should use a table saw or cut the material by hand. The same applies when you have to cut flat stock that has a bevel angle larger than about 45° . For example, I have installed chair rail and wall frame molding along a stairway wall where the miter angles were more than 50º. These were cut on the table saw with a special fixture to hold them securely on the sliding miter table.
I discuss this in more detail in Part 3 --  Crown Molding on Vaulted Ceilings.    

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  Method 3:. Coping the Joint

Coping refers to cutting material with a coping saw. This is a small, hand held saw with a thin blade for cutting intricate pieces of plywood or thin boards. This saw can be used to cut sections of molding so they can be joined in corners. Coping can be used on simple sections of straight molding as well as on crown. However, it is only good for inside corners. Outside corners still require a mitered joint.


 


The technique basically involves keeping one piece straight while cutting the mating part such that it fits the contour of the straight piece. To prepare the second piece you first have to cut it per Method 1 at half the wall angle. This exposes the profile.
Using the coping saw cut away the bevel part as shown above. For a right wall angle you would cope away  the bevel part at 90 degrees right along the sharp exposed edge. In fact, you could cut a bit more than 90 degrees to provide additional clearance. The part should be clamped as shown above or on the edge of a work table using a clamp of some sort. To mark the edge more clearly you might rub a soft pencil point along the exposed edge. Use a file to clean up the edge and make a trial fit to a scrap piece of the same molding. You will want a close fit to minimize the gap to be filled.

Simple? Well, yes and no. It really takes some practice to do it without wasting a good part. Commercial installers like this method for several reasons:

  1. Only one end needs to be coped.
  2. Some of the coping can be done in the shop before going to the job site. 
  3. Some claim that the joint is more forgiving to expansion or contraction after the installation. I have my doubts this is really true.
  4. It is the best way to handle wide crown molding (saw limitations).
I still would recommend that the average person use methods 1 and 2 above. There are times, however, when coping becomes in handy tool. Here is one example:

The ceiling in one room has crown all around. One side drops down about six inches to another level - a family room. The intersection becomes complicated. Three pieces of crown meet at right angles. Two can be joined as discussed above, but the third needs to be fitted to follow the contour of that joint. Here is what it looks like: The top right piece was coped to join the other two.


 


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4. Installation of Crown Molding

First things to do:

  • Make a diagram of the floor plan of the room. Number each segment and measure the lengths of each wall segment as well as the angle the walls make at each intersection. If any wall length is more than sixteen feet you need to make a splice; show the best place on the diagram.
  • Determine how you can best cut the pieces from the standard sixteen foot lengths.
  • Order the material along with some extra for an "oops" or two. Mark each with the segment(s) number using a light pencil mark.

Next things to do:

  • Get help, don’t try to install crown by yourself. 
  • Get the right tools. Buy, borrow or rent a compressor and air gun with two inch "nails". Installing molding by using a hammer and two inch finishing nails is too cumbersome, time consuming and hard on your knuckles. 
  • Check if you can find any utility lines such as electrical or water lines imbedded in the walls. The chances of driving a nail into a line are extremely small. However, at one time I did manage to drive a nail through a plastic water line. If I had checked the other side of the wall, I would have realized there were two lines going into the wall from a water heater. The water lines ran up and through the attic. The consequences were expensive.
  • Find the wall studs and mark the wall and ceiling where you find them. These are the best places to nail the molding. You can use a stud finder or simply drive a nail through the wallboard right underneath where the molding will cover the hole. Keep in mind that most wall studs are on 16 inch centers. Also, you will find that wall outlets are installed next to a stud. Ceiling rafters are usually spaced 24 or 16 inches, depending on whether it is a one or two story home. But rafters run only in one direction and you will encounter many runs without ceiling support.

For wide or very flexible molding, consider using wooden nailing blocks on the backside of the molding. The sketch in Part 4 Special Fixtures and Tools  shows how these blocks can be cut from a 2x4.  The blocks can be spaced about 24 to 32 inches apart and should be nailed to the 2x4 braces at the top of the wall or the wall studs. Put a small pencil mark on the wall below them so you can see where they are located when holding the molding in place.

  • Mark the walls to show where the foot of the molding should be. This helps to align the parts before you nail them in place. Crown molding sixteen feet long is like a big noodle and it is easy to slightly rotate it and misalign it at the corners Some installers strike a line all along the wall, but I find that marking the wall in several spots (using a pencil and a small guide block) is good enough. If you are building up the crown using flat molding plus crown, you don’t need a pencil reference line; the flat molding will be a better line to follow. However, make sure the first parts are exactly where you want them.

Note: If you have never installed crown, start with two short sections of wall with inside corners. If you make a mistake now it only involves short pieces. With your helper, re-measure the wall length close to the top.
I find that to get a good measurement, it is better to use a "witch-rod", a piece of dowel or flat stock of known length (ten inches is good). Hold the dowel to the end of the wall, measure up to its end and add 10 inches to the value. This is better than flexing the tape around the corner or adding the width of the tape measure. Check the corner angle (if you have a wall-angle-gauge) and jot these values down on the sketch of the room.



When I am ready to start, I like to go around the room in a clockwise direction. If the room has mostly inside, 90° corners, I will precut the end of each section as a right side piece. Now I mark the wall length on the bottom foot and use template L1 for the second cut. This template is better for lining up the blade with the pencil mark.

Cut the first piece of molding as described in the previous section and hold it in place. Line up the bottom foot with the marks on the wall. If it makes good contact in the corners, tack it in place with a few nails. Now measure the next wall, cut its molding and see how the two pieces come together. If there is a problem, you can still remove the first piece that was just tacked in place. If all looks good, tack the second piece in place with a couple nails again using the pencil marks on the walls for alignment.

Continue around the room until you encounter an outside corner. If the crown has an inside corner at the other end, cut that first. Hold the part up to the wall and mark the wall heel right where the wall stops and goes around the corner. Do the same with the part that will mate it. Measure the corner angle, calculate, and set the saw parameters. 

It has been my experience that outside corners are never 90 degrees. A metal edging is used when the walls are taped. This is then filled with joint compound, resulting in a bulge and an angle that is usually about 87 degrees.

Now you are ready to cut the outside corner, but be sure that the heel that goes against the ceiling is now longer than the wall heel! When you have a perfect fit apply some carpenters glue to the joint and nail it in place. The glue helps to prevent the joint from separating later on.

If the inside corners are not perfect, don’t worry. That’s why they make carpenters caulk and wood putty. Putty is good for filling nail holes (some may need to be set with a punch), but it dries hard and brittle. Silicone based caulk is more flexible and better for filling gaps in the corners and along the top and bottom of the crown. I prefer the water based type for both. It is easy to clean before it sets and can be painted. One tip: run a small beat all along the ceiling right from the caulking gun, then use a finger to wipe and smooth the fillet. A damp rag cleans up the excess.

Stand back and admire your handy work!     


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Some examples: 

The old cliche "A picture is worth a thousand words" is very apropos when it comes to crown molding. The following photos were taken during and after installing a combination of crown and base molding in a kitchen with several soffits. There were a total of ten inside corners and eight outside corners. To soften the sharp projections of the crown, it was decided to cut the corners with a 45 degree section as shown below. Notice again that the crown is installed "up-side-down".
The pictures were taken during and after the installation.


 

 

 

 

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